Governance/AdvisoryBoardMinutes/2011-Mar-29

Yocto Project Steering Group Meeting Minutes - 29 March, 2011

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ATTENDEES

Participating Organizations:

 Dell: Sean Hudson
 Intel: Dave Stewart, Tracey Erway
 Mentor Graphics: John Cherry, Brad Dixon
 MontaVista Software: Dan Cauchy, Joe Green, Mark Orvek
 Sakoman Inc: Steve Sakoman
 Texas Instruments: Jason Kridner
 Wind River Systems: Paul Anderson, Lieu Ta

Others:

 Linux Foundation: Mike Woster, Richard Purdie
 Community Management: Jeff Osier-Mixon

Apologies:

 Timesys: Atul Bansal, Ed Nash

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AGENDA

Introduction by Mike Woster Member introductions Discuss high-level objectives & expectations Discuss future meetings & Collaboration Summit plans Adjourn _________________________________________________________

MINUTES

Introduction - Mike Woster Welcome to everyone - Steering groups like this function best with a light touch, influencing rather than controlling. The real technical decisions are made by maintainers and accomplished in repos, on email and IRC. Role of the Steering Group: everyone here has committed to providing technical resources, also to getting other people involved. Committed to seeing the project succeed and positioning in the market in a way that is helpful to the broadest set of participants. Steering group meetings are open - minutes are published publicly.

Member introductions

TI - Jason Kridner, ARM microprocessor community development manager.

 Bill Mills [not present] - Communications Infrastructure and 
   organizer of TI's Linux strategy

Mentor - John Cherry, Sr Eng Mgr for Mentor Embedded Linux, formerly

   OSDL & Intel, tagteaming with...
 Brad Dixon, Product Marketing Director of Open Source Solutions

MontaVista - Dan Cauchy, VP Marketing & Business Development, also

   handles consortiums.
 Mark Orvek VP Engineering
 Joe Freen, Manager, Development Tools Team

OpenEmbedded - Phil Balister, OpenEmbedded eV chair Dell - Sean Hudson - new to yocto, comes from OE background

 excited about prospect of joining forces with open & corp communities
 wants to see smooth integration

Wind River - Paul Anderson, VP Strategic Mktg for Embedded Linux

 Lieu Ta, Director of Linux Operations

Sakoman Inc - Steve Sakoman, consultant on embeddd linux apps

 using oe on all projects last 2-3 yrs
 looking forward to added momemtum
 involved with Palm's original decision to go with OE

Intel - Dave Stewart, Engingeering Manager in Open Source Tech Center

   managing folks working on Yocto Project
 Tracey Erway - Marketing for Intel's involvement in Yocto Project

Linux Foundation:

 Richard Purdie - LF fellow, architect for project, here to listen in 
   & facilitate flow of information
 Mike Woster - LF VP Business Development

Secretary: Jeff "Jefro" Osier-Mixon, Yocto Project Community Manager

 working for Intel

Discuss high-level objectives & expectations

What kinds of benefits do orgs hope to draw from Yocto Project?

 Mike W: got feedback from Sean & Phil, interest in OE integration
 Mentor - John wants to prevent fragmentation of open source business
   good with this group to have unified message around embedded linux
   to battle embedded Linux fragmentation issues
   enable choice & competition on services & value-add
   opportunities to network with device vendors & suppliers
   semis to be more involved, including Linaro
   Brad - project important to Mentor, rough edges in coherency, 
   wants to see it made generally better; participating orgs can help 
   make rough places smoother
   
 MontaVista - Dan - we adopted OE approach a long time ago, which is
   why we are interested in project, see benefits of oe coming together 
   with other features that can be incorporated into one upstream 
   development environment for everyone
   Mark - improvement of base technology, everyone aware of issues OE 
   has had over years w reliability - improvement will be very valuable
   Joe - improve software between various vendor systems
   
 WindRiver - Paul - echo John's comment about helping fragmentation in 
   deeply embedded; drive commonality where it makes sense, enable 
   innovation in a flexible foundation where people can add value
   coordinate messaging - message that works for all, strive to do 
   things again that support core message about deeply embedded
   big goal is connecting ecosystems, open & commercial, hw & sw, 
   bring together value to raise bar collectively
   less time working on things nondifferentiating, more time adding 
   value at higher level
   
 Intel - Dave - value broader participation in open source projects, 
   excited to help project achieve goals, hope people can be assets 
   to all of us working together on something - also hopeful that the
   group can help intel from going off rails; worked so much with 
   other companies, Intel gets how to do open source & link with 
   commercial, hopeful we can work together as team
   to make sure we are meeting everybody's needs
   not going to be perfect, hope you can help us guide us gently 
   feel very privileged to work with this team, very optimistic
   thank to LF, compliments to mike
   
 Mike W - excited to see embedded going from 60% to 95% share
   get in touch with questions, anything we can do just let us know
   CELF is now LF - many CE companies are now interested in Yocto
   
 TI - Jason - a lot of things hoping to get out of Yocto, aligning 
   vendors & community so both interests are served
   a lot of overlap - Yocto has potential for solving overlap
   easing OE's reliability concerns - OS vendors, customers, TI
   internally use OE to produce SDKs, try to deliver to OSVs, but
   not something we feel comfortable delivering to customers
   hope some sort of baseline to deliver - enable OSVs to differentiate

Discuss future meetings & Collaboration Summit plans

 Jefro - outlined Yocto Project events over the next few weeks
   Collaboration Summit April 6-8
     Weds: Keynote by Jim Zemlin
           Yocto Panel Discussion
           Linux Success in Hardware
     Thur: 9:00-10:30 Yocto Steering Group Meeting
           10:45-12pm Participating Orgs forum
           1:30-5:00  Open forum for potential participants
           5:00pm on  Evening reception at Dosa on Fillmore
     Fri:  9:00-12:00 Embedded Linux track
           1:30-5:30  Yocto technical meeting*
   * meeting to be repeated at ELC
   
   Embedded Linux Conference April 11-13
     Mon:  Keynote by Dirk Hohndel
         Steering Group lunch, Kosakura Boardroom
     Tue:  Yocto technical lunch meeting, Kosakura Boardroom
           BoF on Tuesday afternoon
           full demonstration at demo night Tues
     several YP technical presentations throughout conference

   Mike notes that LF will make sure future conferences do not
   bridge over two weeks
   

Future plans

 Decide F2F meeting date at end of April or early May near ESC-SV
   Steve - good idea
   Sean (Dell) - seems close in terms of timeline, going to ELC & Collab
   Mentor not at Collab Summit
   Interested in meeting Apr 12 at ELC
 **Forward discussion to April 7 meeting

 Agenda items for F2F at Collab on April 7
 **F2F meeting in early May or not? If so, when?
   Jason - binary dist of toolchains for different platforms
         - prebuilt binary package feeds including staged packages
         Richard - talked about producing binary feeds, more useful is ssate cache, makes sure validates against config user wnats to build

 Phil - binary package feed, a lot is distro responsibility
 Brad - makes sense, applies even to toolchains
 Richard - some kind of ref platform as a known standard is good thing, but
   dont want to get into position that this binary is all we should have
 having some ref there to do tests on is good
 Brad - have to work with something known to work
 concerned about one platform being deemed "the standard"
 Richard this is why consciously backed away
   pushing build system & common technology- should discuss more F2F
 toolchains that work with specific hw very useful
 Phil - wants to make easier for people to do embedded development
   eclipse etc
 easier to use the output of yocto/oe
 Richard already been doing work in that direction
 
 Mike W: consensus on meeting in may? 
 Talk about positioning, how to get broader set of participation
help embedded linux thrive, reduce fragmentation
 another chance to meet
   Phil - maybe on may, Richard possibly, Dan will be in EU but Mark can attend, 
   Dave Stewart was not intending to go but can
 Mike W - let's see what comes out of next F2F meeting
 Paul - f2f not subustitue for calls
 Sean - play it by ear, suggest regular tempo for conf calls
   every 2-3 weeks, month
   depends on how much we get done at each call
 Paul suggests presched monthly, agenda business oriented
   for deeper topics - committee call between meetings, report back
 Richard: use yocto mailing list for technical discussions

 Phil - F2F, OE project hosted out of OSU OSL lab sharing server 
   with other projects, traffic loads getting high
   having friction with OSU **
 Mike W - has some lines on other ideas & hardware

 Jason - talked about communicating more openly
 Phil also highlighted merge open source & commercial efforts seamlessness
   avoid appearance of ivory tower steering group
 try to have posting podcast and/or minutes to community
 Dave - likes podcast idea
 Dave - meet on IRC? pros & cons, dont get to hear explanations
 Paul - in person discussion is better
 Paul - ** early & often have conversations around coordinating messages 
   to oss community, messages within respective commercial busiensss
   doing so in a way that keeps us all properly connected
   set some basic parameters
 Monday at ELC is ok
 Paul leaving Tues
 

SINCE MEETING:

 - set up Steering Group lunch meeting at ELC
     Monday April 11, lunch, Kosakura Boardroom
 - set up 2nd technical meeting at ELC
     Tuesday April 12, lunch, Kosakura Boardroom

See you all on April 7