Governance/AdvisoryBoardMinutes/2011-Mar-29
Yocto Project Steering Group Meeting Minutes - 29 March, 2011
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ATTENDEES
Participating Organizations:
Dell: Sean Hudson Intel: Dave Stewart, Tracey Erway Mentor Graphics: John Cherry, Brad Dixon MontaVista Software: Dan Cauchy, Joe Green, Mark Orvek Sakoman Inc: Steve Sakoman Texas Instruments: Jason Kridner Wind River Systems: Paul Anderson, Lieu Ta
Others:
Linux Foundation: Mike Woster, Richard Purdie Community Management: Jeff Osier-Mixon
Apologies:
Timesys: Atul Bansal, Ed Nash
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AGENDA
Introduction by Mike Woster Member introductions Discuss high-level objectives & expectations Discuss future meetings & Collaboration Summit plans Adjourn _________________________________________________________
MINUTES
Introduction - Mike Woster Welcome to everyone - Steering groups like this function best with a light touch, influencing rather than controlling. The real technical decisions are made by maintainers and accomplished in repos, on email and IRC. Role of the Steering Group: everyone here has committed to providing technical resources, also to getting other people involved. Committed to seeing the project succeed and positioning in the market in a way that is helpful to the broadest set of participants. Steering group meetings are open - minutes are published publicly.
Member introductions
TI - Jason Kridner, ARM microprocessor community development manager.
Bill Mills [not present] - Communications Infrastructure and organizer of TI's Linux strategy
Mentor - John Cherry, Sr Eng Mgr for Mentor Embedded Linux, formerly
OSDL & Intel, tagteaming with... Brad Dixon, Product Marketing Director of Open Source Solutions
MontaVista - Dan Cauchy, VP Marketing & Business Development, also
handles consortiums. Mark Orvek VP Engineering Joe Freen, Manager, Development Tools Team
OpenEmbedded - Phil Balister, OpenEmbedded eV chair Dell - Sean Hudson - new to yocto, comes from OE background
excited about prospect of joining forces with open & corp communities wants to see smooth integration
Wind River - Paul Anderson, VP Strategic Mktg for Embedded Linux
Lieu Ta, Director of Linux Operations
Sakoman Inc - Steve Sakoman, consultant on embeddd linux apps
using oe on all projects last 2-3 yrs looking forward to added momemtum involved with Palm's original decision to go with OE
Intel - Dave Stewart, Engingeering Manager in Open Source Tech Center
managing folks working on Yocto Project Tracey Erway - Marketing for Intel's involvement in Yocto Project
Linux Foundation:
Richard Purdie - LF fellow, architect for project, here to listen in & facilitate flow of information Mike Woster - LF VP Business Development
Secretary: Jeff "Jefro" Osier-Mixon, Yocto Project Community Manager
working for Intel
Discuss high-level objectives & expectations
What kinds of benefits do orgs hope to draw from Yocto Project?
Mike W: got feedback from Sean & Phil, interest in OE integration Mentor - John wants to prevent fragmentation of open source business good with this group to have unified message around embedded linux to battle embedded Linux fragmentation issues enable choice & competition on services & value-add opportunities to network with device vendors & suppliers semis to be more involved, including Linaro Brad - project important to Mentor, rough edges in coherency, wants to see it made generally better; participating orgs can help make rough places smoother MontaVista - Dan - we adopted OE approach a long time ago, which is why we are interested in project, see benefits of oe coming together with other features that can be incorporated into one upstream development environment for everyone Mark - improvement of base technology, everyone aware of issues OE has had over years w reliability - improvement will be very valuable Joe - improve software between various vendor systems WindRiver - Paul - echo John's comment about helping fragmentation in deeply embedded; drive commonality where it makes sense, enable innovation in a flexible foundation where people can add value coordinate messaging - message that works for all, strive to do things again that support core message about deeply embedded big goal is connecting ecosystems, open & commercial, hw & sw, bring together value to raise bar collectively less time working on things nondifferentiating, more time adding value at higher level Intel - Dave - value broader participation in open source projects, excited to help project achieve goals, hope people can be assets to all of us working together on something - also hopeful that the group can help intel from going off rails; worked so much with other companies, Intel gets how to do open source & link with commercial, hopeful we can work together as team to make sure we are meeting everybody's needs not going to be perfect, hope you can help us guide us gently feel very privileged to work with this team, very optimistic thank to LF, compliments to mike Mike W - excited to see embedded going from 60% to 95% share get in touch with questions, anything we can do just let us know CELF is now LF - many CE companies are now interested in Yocto TI - Jason - a lot of things hoping to get out of Yocto, aligning vendors & community so both interests are served a lot of overlap - Yocto has potential for solving overlap easing OE's reliability concerns - OS vendors, customers, TI internally use OE to produce SDKs, try to deliver to OSVs, but not something we feel comfortable delivering to customers hope some sort of baseline to deliver - enable OSVs to differentiate
Discuss future meetings & Collaboration Summit plans
Jefro - outlined Yocto Project events over the next few weeks Collaboration Summit April 6-8 Weds: Keynote by Jim Zemlin Yocto Panel Discussion Linux Success in Hardware Thur: 9:00-10:30 Yocto Steering Group Meeting 10:45-12pm Participating Orgs forum 1:30-5:00 Open forum for potential participants 5:00pm on Evening reception at Dosa on Fillmore Fri: 9:00-12:00 Embedded Linux track 1:30-5:30 Yocto technical meeting* * meeting to be repeated at ELC Embedded Linux Conference April 11-13 Mon: Keynote by Dirk Hohndel Steering Group lunch, Kosakura Boardroom Tue: Yocto technical lunch meeting, Kosakura Boardroom BoF on Tuesday afternoon full demonstration at demo night Tues several YP technical presentations throughout conference
Mike notes that LF will make sure future conferences do not bridge over two weeks
Future plans
Decide F2F meeting date at end of April or early May near ESC-SV Steve - good idea Sean (Dell) - seems close in terms of timeline, going to ELC & Collab Mentor not at Collab Summit Interested in meeting Apr 12 at ELC **Forward discussion to April 7 meeting
Agenda items for F2F at Collab on April 7 **F2F meeting in early May or not? If so, when? Jason - binary dist of toolchains for different platforms - prebuilt binary package feeds including staged packages Richard - talked about producing binary feeds, more useful is ssate cache, makes sure validates against config user wnats to build
Phil - binary package feed, a lot is distro responsibility Brad - makes sense, applies even to toolchains Richard - some kind of ref platform as a known standard is good thing, but dont want to get into position that this binary is all we should have having some ref there to do tests on is good Brad - have to work with something known to work concerned about one platform being deemed "the standard" Richard this is why consciously backed away pushing build system & common technology- should discuss more F2F toolchains that work with specific hw very useful Phil - wants to make easier for people to do embedded development eclipse etc easier to use the output of yocto/oe Richard already been doing work in that direction Mike W: consensus on meeting in may? Talk about positioning, how to get broader set of participation help embedded linux thrive, reduce fragmentation another chance to meet Phil - maybe on may, Richard possibly, Dan will be in EU but Mark can attend, Dave Stewart was not intending to go but can Mike W - let's see what comes out of next F2F meeting Paul - f2f not subustitue for calls Sean - play it by ear, suggest regular tempo for conf calls every 2-3 weeks, month depends on how much we get done at each call Paul suggests presched monthly, agenda business oriented for deeper topics - committee call between meetings, report back Richard: use yocto mailing list for technical discussions
Phil - F2F, OE project hosted out of OSU OSL lab sharing server with other projects, traffic loads getting high having friction with OSU ** Mike W - has some lines on other ideas & hardware
Jason - talked about communicating more openly Phil also highlighted merge open source & commercial efforts seamlessness avoid appearance of ivory tower steering group try to have posting podcast and/or minutes to community Dave - likes podcast idea Dave - meet on IRC? pros & cons, dont get to hear explanations Paul - in person discussion is better Paul - ** early & often have conversations around coordinating messages to oss community, messages within respective commercial busiensss doing so in a way that keeps us all properly connected set some basic parameters Monday at ELC is ok Paul leaving Tues
SINCE MEETING:
- set up Steering Group lunch meeting at ELC Monday April 11, lunch, Kosakura Boardroom - set up 2nd technical meeting at ELC Tuesday April 12, lunch, Kosakura Boardroom
See you all on April 7