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''Resourcing estimate:'' This task would need a team of people on an ongoing basis to run the monitoring and analysis. Multiple people would be needed to provide backup coverage and the time commitment could be a few hours a week ( Depends on scope). There is also a question of the underlying tools which would need a maintainer with availability of a few hours per month for maintenance and development time for the development of tools which could be around 2-4 weeks/year for a 'medium' skilled developer with some domain knowledge. The tools are isolated with few inter-dependencies and project background knowledge isn't essential. The system the tools run on will need to be under maintenance. | ''Resourcing estimate:'' This task would need a team of people on an ongoing basis to run the monitoring and analysis. Multiple people would be needed to provide backup coverage and the time commitment could be a few hours a week ( Depends on scope). There is also a question of the underlying tools which would need a maintainer with availability of a few hours per month for maintenance and development time for the development of tools which could be around 2-4 weeks/year for a 'medium' skilled developer with some domain knowledge. The tools are isolated with few inter-dependencies and project background knowledge isn't essential. The system the tools run on will need to be under maintenance. | ||
''Example time estimate:'' Investigating Pre-scored CVE's to Level 2 against Poky, '''10 CVEs/hour''' | |||
;Vulnerability mitigation | ;Vulnerability mitigation | ||
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::: Familiarity in the programming language the package is written in. | ::: Familiarity in the programming language the package is written in. | ||
::: Has sent patches to YP/OE community mailing lists | ::: Has sent patches to YP/OE community mailing lists | ||
''''Example time estimate'' | ''Resourcing estimate:'' This task would involve a team of people but is hard to predict due to the "bursty" nature of the activity and the range of areas mitigations could be required within. Usually the project would wait for fixes upstream and then it becomes a question of upgrading to those or backporting the changes to the current development branch and the actively maintained stable series (Are the LTS branches included?). Ideally a multi-person team is needed with someone able to cover a few hours per week.(Under estimated ). | ||
''Example time estimate:'' '''1 CVE/hour/branch''' ( includes backporting, building and some level of validation) | |||
''Current status:'' We have CVE reports being sent regularly to the yocto-security list for OE-Core but not other layers. We do not have any dashboard or visualisation of the numbers. We do not have any teams established for monitoring or mitigation, nor developers actively working on the tools. | ''Current status:'' We have CVE reports being sent regularly to the yocto-security list for OE-Core but not other layers. We do not have any dashboard or visualisation of the numbers. We do not have any teams established for monitoring or mitigation, nor developers actively working on the tools. | ||
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#not being marketed enough | #not being marketed enough | ||
In the view of the TSC, the project is currently missing out on opportunities here, both to attract new members and to improve the quality of the layers/metadata. It is suffering from lacking someone to own and drive the process. | In the view of the TSC, the project is currently missing out on opportunities here, both to attract new members and to improve the quality of the layers/metadata. It is suffering from lacking someone to own and drive the process. | ||
''Current status:'' Autobuilder runs layer checks, TSC provided updated criteria, need advocacy input and engagement to re-launch programme. Need badging questions around development repository branches answering. | |||
''Resourcing estimate:'' Needs advocacy assistance to finalise the way programme would work and be published/used. Need integration to layer index (no active layer index maintainer). | |||
== Inclusive Language == | |||
The YP and OE TSCs did discuss the issue of making sure the language used in the project was inclusive. We believe this is important and we do want to improve in this area. The TSC proposed a plan on how we should go about | |||
addressing these issues as well using the opportunity to improve in other areas such as usability. The plan that was agreed/proposed: | |||
https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-architecture/topic/_summary/75821819 | |||
''Current status:'' Plan published, next step is to create a wiki page of problems areas | |||
https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/inclusive_language | |||
''Resourcing estimate:'' Needs someone with community collaboration skills to lead/organize and should be a fixed term effort for a release cycle (6 months) with limited time commitments once the plan is formed. Plan may take a few weeks to develop/discuss/finalize. Individual changes can be made different individuals without high skillset requirements in many cases. | |||
== Developer Tools and Processes == | == Developer Tools and Processes == | ||
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Secondly, adding better layer setup/configuration tooling would remove the need to handle this in eSDK, removing a fragile part of the current codebase [see separate item above]. | Secondly, adding better layer setup/configuration tooling would remove the need to handle this in eSDK, removing a fragile part of the current codebase [see separate item above]. | ||
''Current status:'' No IDE integration for modern IDEs that the project develops/supports. Lacking maintainers for key areas like devtool. eSDK development incomplete and needs work to retarget to match current thinking and direction elsewhere in the codebase. | |||
''Resourcing Estimate:'' Development work on each area depends on the topic and scope. As examples, IDE integration could be a 6-12 month project for a small team skilled in that IDE and would then need a maintainer and ongoing bug/maintenance commitment. Devtool maintainer may be one week per month of bug fixing and maybe a week or two occasionally for new feature development. eSDK could do with a skilled developer for six months to resolve issues and also an ongoing maintainer (one week per month?). | |||
== Usability == | == Usability == | ||
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Usability has so many different focuses that different people will prioritise different components of this and have different ideas. It also depends on the skills of any resource available as to the pace any given area can move forward. | Usability has so many different focuses that different people will prioritise different components of this and have different ideas. It also depends on the skills of any resource available as to the pace any given area can move forward. | ||
''Current status:'' Issues we know about generally have been investigated and attempts made to address them. Some key areas that were to help usability such as devtool, eSDK or IDE integration are not resourced. Where we know about specific things we can do to help usability, we separate out the tasks. | |||
''Resource Estimate:'' Work to study where issues are and come up with new ideas/plans to mitigate is something that needs work specifically and may include survey work and study/feedback from interaction experts. Resource estimate depends on scope and area taken on the investigate and likely depend son the objectives/focus of anyone funding the work. | |||
== QA automation == | == QA automation == | ||
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Armin will use meta-security as an example? Become a talk? | Armin will use meta-security as an example? Become a talk? | ||
''Current status:'' ptest results have improved since the above was written and the test manual exists but still needs expanding in many areas. | |||
''Resource Estime'': There is no specific autobuilder maintainer or a maintainer for the automated QA pieces, or anyone specifically working on bugs. B&I engineering is helping cover some gaps. Maintainer work could be one week every 1-2 months to address bugs, 1-2 weeks focus on periodic feature development. | |||
== Code Submission process == | == Code Submission process == | ||
The project uses what is considered to be a fairly ‘old school’ approach to code submissions. The older project members are comfortable with this and it has advantages (like peer review). There are more modern approaches which may encourage contributions from a wider audience. | The project uses what is considered to be a fairly ‘old school’ approach to code submissions. The older project members are comfortable with this and it has advantages (like peer review). There are more modern approaches which may encourage contributions from a wider audience. | ||
The OE community is trying an experiment with gitlab with some specific layers where the maintainer is willing to experiment to understand what works well and what doesn’t, we’re likely to await the results of that to decide how to proceed: | ''Current status:'' The OE community is trying an experiment with gitlab with some specific layers where the maintainer is willing to experiment to understand what works well and what doesn’t, we’re likely to await the results of that to decide how to proceed: | ||
Using GitLab for OE/Yocto layers | Using GitLab for OE/Yocto layers | ||
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#deciding which binaries should be supported (on which architectures and target optimizations) | #deciding which binaries should be supported (on which architectures and target optimizations) | ||
#maintaining a potentially large set of such binaries | #maintaining a potentially large set of such binaries | ||
#agreeing a policy on how new things are added or existing things removed | |||
#testing upgrade paths between releases | #testing upgrade paths between releases | ||
There is a large resource commitment needed, even if much automation can be made to try and make this possible. If the project itself hosting a binary distro isn’t viable, having tools and adding testing for the processes needed to do this would be extremely valuable. | There is a large resource commitment needed, even if much automation can be made to try and make this possible. If the project itself hosting a binary distro isn’t viable, having tools and adding testing for the processes needed to do this would be extremely valuable. | ||
''Current status:'' Sub group forming to scope out and prepare a plan of what could be done. | |||
''Resource Estimate:'' Two components: 1) development work to allow/enable binary components as feature work 2) if a binary distro is created, team of people (say 5) to maintain that on an ongoing basis responding to bugs and new releases of components, planning upgrades. Team size dependent on distro size. | |||
== Software Update == | == Software Update == | ||
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What the project likely needs to do in this space is provide infrastructure/prototypes and automated tests of the building blocks and processes people would need to do any of the above. | What the project likely needs to do in this space is provide infrastructure/prototypes and automated tests of the building blocks and processes people would need to do any of the above. | ||
''Current status:'' Most development happening in other layers and generally going well? | |||
== Modern Programming Language Runtimes == | == Modern Programming Language Runtimes == | ||
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Other areas which need development: | Other areas which need development: | ||
=== Support for multiple toolchains === | |||
# clang | |||
# or arch specific e.g. intel or arm compilers) as not all recipes build with standard gcc any longer | |||
=== meta-gplv2 === | |||
# Remove from build | |||
# Migrate packages | |||
# Maintainer | |||
=== ABI/API compliance === | |||
# Best practices | |||
# Scanning tools | |||
# Auto scanning like cve-checker. |
Latest revision as of 21:06, 15 February 2022
Potential Future Project Directions
The Yocto Project TSC has been giving thought to the “big picture” areas of the project which could potentially be developed in the future. These are listed below, where possible the TSC has tried to indicate what these topics are, why they are important, their current status, developments that are happening and what else we believe might need to be done. If there are other areas which anyone believes should be on this list, please raise it with the TSC. The list is in approximate priority order from the TSC’s perspective although in reality, resource constraints can impact ability to make progress on any topic area, or allow it to happen if it is sponsored by a contributor.
In generating this list the TSC is considering many factors and are considering this from a project wide perspective. We realise individual contributors and members have different priorities and the priority will also be heavily influenced by where resources are available to help, be it from the community or from members. Assigning a priority is hard as the TSC can have limited impact on many topics as it has no resources to assign.
LTS
LTS proposal already published and acted upon, see LTS.
Security
There are two areas the project has been asked to define or provide:
- PSiRT
- This is a group of individuals who have the task of monitoring, responding to and logging vulnerabilities for the Project.
- By using various input sources, issues are evaluated and the appropriate actions are taken.
- A scoring matrix will need to be defined
- A set of tools will need to be defined to assist in this effort
- The scope of work needs to be defined.
- Layers covered.
- Do we do scoring ourselves?
- How to prioritize high profile issues
- Level of triaging
- Level 1 - in pkg list
- Level 2 - pkg versions
- Level 3 - Source check
Resourcing estimate: This task would need a team of people on an ongoing basis to run the monitoring and analysis. Multiple people would be needed to provide backup coverage and the time commitment could be a few hours a week ( Depends on scope). There is also a question of the underlying tools which would need a maintainer with availability of a few hours per month for maintenance and development time for the development of tools which could be around 2-4 weeks/year for a 'medium' skilled developer with some domain knowledge. The tools are isolated with few inter-dependencies and project background knowledge isn't essential. The system the tools run on will need to be under maintenance.
Example time estimate: Investigating Pre-scored CVE's to Level 2 against Poky, 10 CVEs/hour
- Vulnerability mitigation
- This is the process of removing a security vulnerability either by a patch, configuration change or workaround.
- Assumption - a patch exists upstream
- If a POC exists, us it for validation else whatever QA tests exist (testimage)
- Skillset
- Familiarity in the programming language the package is written in.
- Has sent patches to YP/OE community mailing lists
Resourcing estimate: This task would involve a team of people but is hard to predict due to the "bursty" nature of the activity and the range of areas mitigations could be required within. Usually the project would wait for fixes upstream and then it becomes a question of upgrading to those or backporting the changes to the current development branch and the actively maintained stable series (Are the LTS branches included?). Ideally a multi-person team is needed with someone able to cover a few hours per week.(Under estimated ).
Example time estimate: 1 CVE/hour/branch ( includes backporting, building and some level of validation)
Current status: We have CVE reports being sent regularly to the yocto-security list for OE-Core but not other layers. We do not have any dashboard or visualisation of the numbers. We do not have any teams established for monitoring or mitigation, nor developers actively working on the tools.
Layer setup/configuration
Currently each user of the project is responsible for setting up layers and stub configuration files themselves. This could include downloading bitbake and metadata layers and then generating configuration for the user, then later also support updating some of the components as appropriate.
There are multiple approaches out there (combo-layer, git submodules, repo, WindRiver setuptool, YP autobuilder, KAS tool from Siemens. other shell/python scripts like bitbake-layers). Each has pros/cons. This fragmented approach isn’t good for the project, it would be better if we had a unified approach. One tool probably won’t fit all but there are too many right now. This task would be to investigate the area and come up with a proposal/path to improving things.
Resourcing Estimate: The task is a single developer task which will probably take around 2 months work even for a highly skilled domain expert. Skills needed are background knowledge on how we end up where we are and community discussion/liaison ability to figure out the correct path forward on this topic. Ongoing maintenance could be 1day/month for bug fixing.
YP Compatibility
The current YP compatibility programme has stalled. From a technical perspective there are minor gremlins but we believe it's the right direction.
The issues have been:
- problems with the webform
- nobody to resolve open bugs with the process
- process improvements needed (ensure the tools are run consistently with reproducible results)
- current testing process is too manual
- not being marketed enough
In the view of the TSC, the project is currently missing out on opportunities here, both to attract new members and to improve the quality of the layers/metadata. It is suffering from lacking someone to own and drive the process.
Current status: Autobuilder runs layer checks, TSC provided updated criteria, need advocacy input and engagement to re-launch programme. Need badging questions around development repository branches answering.
Resourcing estimate: Needs advocacy assistance to finalise the way programme would work and be published/used. Need integration to layer index (no active layer index maintainer).
Inclusive Language
The YP and OE TSCs did discuss the issue of making sure the language used in the project was inclusive. We believe this is important and we do want to improve in this area. The TSC proposed a plan on how we should go about addressing these issues as well using the opportunity to improve in other areas such as usability. The plan that was agreed/proposed:
https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-architecture/topic/_summary/75821819
Current status: Plan published, next step is to create a wiki page of problems areas
https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/inclusive_language
Resourcing estimate: Needs someone with community collaboration skills to lead/organize and should be a fixed term effort for a release cycle (6 months) with limited time commitments once the plan is formed. Plan may take a few weeks to develop/discuss/finalize. Individual changes can be made different individuals without high skillset requirements in many cases.
Developer Tools and Processes
Currently we have devtool, eSDK and unmaintained eclipse integration. Need a plan to improve eSDK, have a build which can migrate between “sdk” and “full” build modes. Also need plans for new IDE integration, particularly Microsoft Visual Studio Code which appears to be the modern IDE to target. There is a long standing bug for a “lock/unlock” bitbake command to move sections of recipes between the two modes which would be one stepping stone to completing this work and improving eSDK usability. Tools to show the locked status of recipes would also help, as would better tools to debug signature differences.
Secondly, adding better layer setup/configuration tooling would remove the need to handle this in eSDK, removing a fragile part of the current codebase [see separate item above].
Current status: No IDE integration for modern IDEs that the project develops/supports. Lacking maintainers for key areas like devtool. eSDK development incomplete and needs work to retarget to match current thinking and direction elsewhere in the codebase.
Resourcing Estimate: Development work on each area depends on the topic and scope. As examples, IDE integration could be a 6-12 month project for a small team skilled in that IDE and would then need a maintainer and ongoing bug/maintenance commitment. Devtool maintainer may be one week per month of bug fixing and maybe a week or two occasionally for new feature development. eSDK could do with a skilled developer for six months to resolve issues and also an ongoing maintainer (one week per month?).
Usability
The TSC discussed usability which is a wide-ranging topic. We believe that several of the specific topic areas proposed previously actually work towards the goal of improving project usability. For example, the patch submission process would benefit new developers who are more familiar with a “github” style patch submission process. Another significant change would be the layer setup process which would help with another subsection of usability. There is also a community aspect to usability through different mediums such as stack overflow, twitch, OEDEM/OEDAM, devdays and all the other programmes the project participates in or runs.
A critical area in the TSC’s opinion is the enhancement and redevelopment of eSDK and tools like devtool (and creation of new tools alongside it) as the original idea was good but the implementation has issues which nobody is currently working on. This area has not been scoped out by the TSC as a specific proposal as yet but is a well-known area of the project that needs development.
Usability has so many different focuses that different people will prioritise different components of this and have different ideas. It also depends on the skills of any resource available as to the pace any given area can move forward.
Current status: Issues we know about generally have been investigated and attempts made to address them. Some key areas that were to help usability such as devtool, eSDK or IDE integration are not resourced. Where we know about specific things we can do to help usability, we separate out the tasks.
Resource Estimate: Work to study where issues are and come up with new ideas/plans to mitigate is something that needs work specifically and may include survey work and study/feedback from interaction experts. Resource estimate depends on scope and area taken on the investigate and likely depend son the objectives/focus of anyone funding the work.
QA automation
It has become very clear that automated testing is our only realistic way forward for the project. We’ve made massive improvements to the infrastructure both in hardware (through a refresh) and in software (yocto-autobuilder2/yocto-autobuilder-helper/resulttool).
We need to:
- raise awareness of what automation capability we already have
- have more people looking at the test results
- Work in improving test results (many ptests failures currently)
- Improve release test comparison so its reliable/useful
- encourage more people to submit test results against a release
- finish new testing documentation manual
Example Test Report:
Armin will use meta-security as an example? Become a talk?
Current status: ptest results have improved since the above was written and the test manual exists but still needs expanding in many areas.
Resource Estime: There is no specific autobuilder maintainer or a maintainer for the automated QA pieces, or anyone specifically working on bugs. B&I engineering is helping cover some gaps. Maintainer work could be one week every 1-2 months to address bugs, 1-2 weeks focus on periodic feature development.
Code Submission process
The project uses what is considered to be a fairly ‘old school’ approach to code submissions. The older project members are comfortable with this and it has advantages (like peer review). There are more modern approaches which may encourage contributions from a wider audience.
Current status: The OE community is trying an experiment with gitlab with some specific layers where the maintainer is willing to experiment to understand what works well and what doesn’t, we’re likely to await the results of that to decide how to proceed:
Using GitLab for OE/Yocto layers
Binary Distro
There are a subset of users of the project who need “binary package feeds” similar to a conventional Linux distro. They don’t want users to have to build things themselves, simply download and use them. Users look at Debian/Ubuntu and other distros and don’t understand why YP doesn’t do this. The difference between a source distro and a binary distro is lost on them.
The challenges:
- finding a configuration which all these users could agree on to have a feed which would work for multiple consumers
- deciding which binaries should be supported (on which architectures and target optimizations)
- maintaining a potentially large set of such binaries
- agreeing a policy on how new things are added or existing things removed
- testing upgrade paths between releases
There is a large resource commitment needed, even if much automation can be made to try and make this possible. If the project itself hosting a binary distro isn’t viable, having tools and adding testing for the processes needed to do this would be extremely valuable.
Current status: Sub group forming to scope out and prepare a plan of what could be done.
Resource Estimate: Two components: 1) development work to allow/enable binary components as feature work 2) if a binary distro is created, team of people (say 5) to maintain that on an ongoing basis responding to bugs and new releases of components, planning upgrades. Team size dependent on distro size.
Software Update
Currently the only official update mechanism YP supports is through conventional package management (rpm/ipk/deb). There are other better alternatives for some situations such as ‘A’/’B’ updaters or update mechanisms with less granularity than packages. Mender and Resin have commercial solutions, there is also swupdate and OSTree in particular. These provide whole system updates in one, or larger groupings of updates than just packages.
Open questions are whether any of this should be core technology and whether anything in core should change to better support this.
At the very least we need to document the options users have for software update.
What the project likely needs to do in this space is provide infrastructure/prototypes and automated tests of the building blocks and processes people would need to do any of the above.
Current status: Most development happening in other layers and generally going well?
Modern Programming Language Runtimes
We see patterns where there are new language runtimes such as rust, go, nodejs and to some extent, perl and python where there are large numbers of dependencies which don’t conform to our ideas of larger units of software with specific releases/versions that are well defined by recipes. We need to consider strategies at the architecture level to work better with these.
AI/ML
We also should consider strategies at the architecture level to cover and unify AI/ML usage in/by the project.
Other future topics
Other areas which need development:
Support for multiple toolchains
- clang
- or arch specific e.g. intel or arm compilers) as not all recipes build with standard gcc any longer
meta-gplv2
- Remove from build
- Migrate packages
- Maintainer
ABI/API compliance
- Best practices
- Scanning tools
- Auto scanning like cve-checker.