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Yocto Project Steering Group Meeting Minutes - 29 March, 2011

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ATTENDEES

Participating Organizations:
Dell: Sean Hudson
Intel: Dave Stewart, Tracey Erway
Mentor Graphics: John Cherry, Brad Dixon
MontaVista Software: Dan Cauchy, Joe Green, Mark Orvek
Sakoman Inc: Steve Sakoman
Texas Instruments: Jason Kridner
Wind River Systems: Paul Anderson, Lieu Ta

Others:
Linux Foundation: Mike Woster, Richard Purdie
Community Management: Jeff Osier-Mixon

Apologies:
Timesys: Atul Bansal, Ed Nash
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AGENDA

Introduction by Mike Woster
Member introductions
Discuss high-level objectives & expectations
Discuss future meetings & Collaboration Summit plans
Adjourn
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MINUTES

Introduction - Mike Woster
Welcome to everyone - Steering groups like this function best with
a light touch, influencing rather than controlling. The real technical
decisions are made by maintainers and accomplished in repos, on email and
IRC. Role of the Steering Group: everyone here has committed to providing
technical resources, also to getting other people involved. Committed to
seeing the project succeed and positioning in the market in a way that is
helpful to the broadest set of participants. Steering group meetings are
open - minutes are published publicly.

Member introductions

TI - Jason Kridner, ARM microprocessor community development manager.
Bill Mills [not present] - Communications Infrastructure and
organizer of TI's Linux strategy
Mentor - John Cherry, Sr Eng Mgr for Mentor Embedded Linux, formerly
OSDL & Intel, tagteaming with...
Brad Dixon, Product Marketing Director of Open Source Solutions
MontaVista - Dan Cauchy, VP Marketing & Business Development, also
handles consortiums.
Mark Orvek VP Engineering
Joe Freen, Manager, Development Tools Team
OpenEmbedded - Phil Balister, OpenEmbedded eV chair
Dell - Sean Hudson - new to yocto, comes from OE background
excited about prospect of joining forces with open & corp communities
wants to see smooth integration
Wind River - Paul Anderson, VP Strategic Mktg for Embedded Linux
Lieu Ta, Director of Linux Operations
Sakoman Inc - Steve Sakoman, consultant on embeddd linux apps
using oe on all projects last 2-3 yrs
looking forward to added momemtum
involved with Palm's original decision to go with OE
Intel - Dave Stewart, Engingeering Manager in Open Source Tech Center
managing folks working on Yocto Project
Tracey Erway - Marketing for Intel's involvement in Yocto Project
Linux Foundation:
Richard Purdie - LF fellow, architect for project, here to listen in
& facilitate flow of information
Mike Woster - LF VP Business Development
Secretary: Jeff "Jefro" Osier-Mixon, Yocto Project Community Manager
working for Intel

Discuss high-level objectives & expectations

What kinds of benefits do orgs hope to draw from Yocto Project?
Mike W: got feedback from Sean & Phil, interest in OE integration
Mentor - John wants to prevent fragmentation of open source business
good with this group to have unified message around embedded linux
to battle embedded Linux fragmentation issues
enable choice & competition on services & value-add
opportunities to network with device vendors & suppliers
semis to be more involved, including Linaro
Brad - project important to Mentor, rough edges in coherency,
wants to see it made generally better; participating orgs can help
make rough places smoother

MontaVista - Dan - we adopted OE approach a long time ago, which is
why we are interested in project, see benefits of oe coming together
with other features that can be incorporated into one upstream
development environment for everyone
Mark - improvement of base technology, everyone aware of issues OE
has had over years w reliability - improvement will be very valuable
Joe - improve software between various vendor systems

WindRiver - Paul - echo John's comment about helping fragmentation in
deeply embedded; drive commonality where it makes sense, enable
innovation in a flexible foundation where people can add value
coordinate messaging - message that works for all, strive to do
things again that support core message about deeply embedded
big goal is connecting ecosystems, open & commercial, hw & sw,
bring together value to raise bar collectively
less time working on things nondifferentiating, more time adding
value at higher level

Intel - Dave - value broader participation in open source projects,
excited to help project achieve goals, hope people can be assets
to all of us working together on something - also hopeful that the
group can help intel from going off rails; worked so much with
other companies, Intel gets how to do open source & link with
commercial, hopeful we can work together as team
to make sure we are meeting everybody's needs
not going to be perfect, hope you can help us guide us gently
feel very privileged to work with this team, very optimistic
thank to LF, compliments to mike

Mike W - excited to see embedded going from 60% to 95% share
get in touch with questions, anything we can do just let us know
CELF is now LF - many CE companies are now interested in Yocto

TI - Jason - a lot of things hoping to get out of Yocto, aligning
vendors & community so both interests are served
a lot of overlap - Yocto has potential for solving overlap
easing OE's reliability concerns - OS vendors, customers, TI
internally use OE to produce SDKs, try to deliver to OSVs, but
not something we feel comfortable delivering to customers
hope some sort of baseline to deliver - enable OSVs to differentiate

Discuss future meetings & Collaboration Summit plans

Jefro - outlined Yocto Project events over the next few weeks
Collaboration Summit April 6-8
Weds: Keynote by Jim Zemlin
Yocto Panel Discussion
Linux Success in Hardware
Thur: 9:00-10:30 Yocto Steering Group Meeting
10:45-12pm Participating Orgs forum
1:30-5:00 Open forum for potential participants
5:00pm on Evening reception at Dosa on Fillmore
Fri: 9:00-12:00 Embedded Linux track
1:30-5:30 Yocto technical meeting*
* meeting to be repeated at ELC

Embedded Linux Conference April 11-13
Mon: Keynote by Dirk Hohndel
Steering Group lunch, Kosakura Boardroom
Tue: Yocto technical lunch meeting, Kosakura Boardroom
BoF on Tuesday afternoon
full demonstration at demo night Tues
several YP technical presentations throughout conference

Mike notes that LF will make sure future conferences do not
bridge over two weeks

Future plans

Decide F2F meeting date at end of April or early May near ESC-SV
Steve - good idea
Sean (Dell) - seems close in terms of timeline, going to ELC & Collab
Mentor not at Collab Summit
Interested in meeting Apr 12 at ELC
**Forward discussion to April 7 meeting

Agenda items for F2F at Collab on April 7
**F2F meeting in early May or not? If so, when?
Jason - binary dist of toolchains for different platforms
- prebuilt binary package feeds including staged packages
Richard - talked about producing binary feeds, more useful is ssate cache, makes sure validates against config user wnats to build

Phil - binary package feed, a lot is distro responsibility
Brad - makes sense, applies even to toolchains
Richard - some kind of ref platform as a known standard is good thing, but
dont want to get into position that this binary is all we should have
having some ref there to do tests on is good
Brad - have to work with something known to work
concerned about one platform being deemed "the standard"
Richard this is why consciously backed away
pushing build system & common technology- should discuss more F2F
toolchains that work with specific hw very useful
Phil - wants to make easier for people to do embedded development
eclipse etc
easier to use the output of yocto/oe
Richard already been doing work in that direction

Mike W: consensus on meeting in may?
Talk about positioning, how to get broader set of participation
help embedded linux thrive, reduce fragmentation
another chance to meet
Phil - maybe on may, Richard possibly, Dan will be in EU but Mark can attend,
Dave Stewart was not intending to go but can
Mike W - let's see what comes out of next F2F meeting
Paul - f2f not subustitue for calls
Sean - play it by ear, suggest regular tempo for conf calls
every 2-3 weeks, month
depends on how much we get done at each call
Paul suggests presched monthly, agenda business oriented
for deeper topics - committee call between meetings, report back
Richard: use yocto mailing list for technical discussions

Phil - F2F, OE project hosted out of OSU OSL lab sharing server
with other projects, traffic loads getting high
having friction with OSU **
Mike W - has some lines on other ideas & hardware

Jason - talked about communicating more openly
Phil also highlighted merge open source & commercial efforts seamlessness
avoid appearance of ivory tower steering group
try to have posting podcast and/or minutes to community
Dave - likes podcast idea
Dave - meet on IRC? pros & cons, dont get to hear explanations
Paul - in person discussion is better
Paul - ** early & often have conversations around coordinating messages
to oss community, messages within respective commercial busiensss
doing so in a way that keeps us all properly connected
set some basic parameters
Monday at ELC is ok
Paul leaving Tues

SINCE MEETING:
- set up Steering Group lunch meeting at ELC
Monday April 11, lunch, Kosakura Boardroom
- set up 2nd technical meeting at ELC
Tuesday April 12, lunch, Kosakura Boardroom

See you all on April 7

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